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Post by Tamari on Jun 27, 2017 4:16:10 GMT 10
This is the place to ask quick, random canon related questions so that another Goldenlake member can help you answer them! When you are answering a question, please quote the original question in your reply so members have some context for the answer. The previous one is here, for reference.
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Post by Tamari on Jun 17, 2020 12:36:44 GMT 10
Does anyone have a timeline and itinerary of the Progress during PotS?
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Post by Kypriotha on Jun 17, 2020 14:31:16 GMT 10
Does Lisa's timeline cover any part of it? It would probably only be major events though.
Otherwise I can't think of anywhere to find that detail, except maybe the wikia?
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Post by Tamari on Jun 20, 2020 3:26:03 GMT 10
Thanks Kyp! Lisa actually wrote an amazing writeup of the Progress if anyone else needs the reference.
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Post by Kypriotha on Jun 20, 2020 16:57:18 GMT 10
I knew Lisa was the best bet to have/find the answers - she's always so detailed in what she does!
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Post by Lisa on Jun 23, 2020 21:45:55 GMT 10
Aw, shucks, you guys are too kind! I should also add that after looking at a detailed map I was once given, the scene that takes place on Lake Naxen could be at either Fief Naxen OR Unicorn Glen (which never really appears in the canon, from all I can recall).
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Post by Kypriotha on Jun 24, 2020 13:44:13 GMT 10
I cannot recall a Unicorn Glen ever appearing in canon (or other qcanon, for that matter), but now I really wish it did!
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Post by Seek on Sept 12, 2020 17:56:36 GMT 10
Does anyone know how nobility is inherited in Tortall? (I'm happy to expand this into a bigger thread if need be but I just want to check if it's already somewhere I missed.)
I'm specifically thinking in terms of noble privileges: does Inness remain of Mindelan or Teresian? Does he have any lands or income, since I assume Anders is the heir to the fief? What about Conal? Do their children (Inness's and Conal's) get to train for their knighthood as Mindelans, or is it not inherited that way? I recall Lerant talking about not affording a knight's gear, which makes some sense (though squires are supposed to be paid for by their knight...) so maybe the descendants of nobles could train for knighthood but don't have the money to?
I'm mostly just asking to get a sense of how large the group of people with noble privileges in Tortall is, really.
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Post by devilinthedetails on Sept 13, 2020 7:08:46 GMT 10
Good questions, Seek. I have the impression that the inheritance of nobility in Tortall seems to vary from fief to fief perhaps depending on the terms under which the lands and titles of that fief were given to a particular family. With Trebond, for example, it seems that Alanna is not permitted to inherit because she is a female(although that also makes me wonder if she had been married with a son could the land and titles have passed to her son or if she'd had a husband could the land have passed to her husband. Or could the land and titles not even pass through her because she was a female? In other words, is it that a female couldn't inherit the Trebond land and titles or that the land and titles can't even pass through her to a male? Either way, Alanna can't inherit, and so the land and titles for Trebond apparently return to the Crown, and that is how Jon can reward Coram with a land and title for Trebond.
In contrast, in POTS, Cleon is engaged and then marries a wealthy heiress, which is important to his mother and to his fief because his fief is poor. By definition, a heiress has to inherit, and the heiress (not to be crass) is only valuable precisely because of the wealth she stands to inherit. So, I have the impression that in some cases at least, women can inherit though presumably only in instances where there aren't any sons to inherit.
The exception to that now seems to be with the Crown itself. The Crown thanks to Jon and Thayet's legal change now apparently goes to the surviving firstborn child whether male or female.
I have the impression that Inness lives in Mindelan because in First Test Kel speaks of her sister-in-laws living at Mindelan and also the nursery seems crowded with more than just the children of Anders. I also remember a passage in Squire where Cleon, Inness's squire, is very comfortable in Mindelan and interacting with all the children as if he has been there on multiple occasions, so that to me suggested that Inness and his wife lived in Mindeland with their children.
I have the impression that Anders is the heir and that neither Inness nor Conal stand to inherit any lands or income from the land though from things Kel and Cleon say in the POTS books I think knights can be awarded purses by the Crown for their service, so it is possible that if Inness and Conal remain active knights, they will continue to receive a somewhat steady income from the Crown. I think any children of Inness and Conal would be eligible to train under the Mindelan name since they are still part of the Mindelan family even if their fathers don't inherit the land and titles, I believe. It might be hard for the children of second sons to have the funds to pursue knighthood training. It wouldn't shock me if those children are encouraged to pursue careers as monks or in the King's Own or now the Queen's Riders instead.
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Post by mistrali on Sept 13, 2020 11:45:48 GMT 10
Do we know what’s between Thak City and the palace? Is it desert?
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Post by Seek on Sept 13, 2020 17:33:06 GMT 10
Good questions, Seek. I have the impression that the inheritance of nobility in Tortall seems to vary from fief to fief perhaps depending on the terms under which the lands and titles of that fief were given to a particular family. With Trebond, for example, it seems that Alanna is not permitted to inherit because she is a female(although that also makes me wonder if she had been married with a son could the land and titles have passed to her son or if she'd had a husband could the land have passed to her husband. Or could the land and titles not even pass through her because she was a female? In other words, is it that a female couldn't inherit the Trebond land and titles or that the land and titles can't even pass through her to a male? Either way, Alanna can't inherit, and so the land and titles for Trebond apparently return to the Crown, and that is how Jon can reward Coram with a land and title for Trebond. In contrast, in POTS, Cleon is engaged and then marries a wealthy heiress, which is important to his mother and to his fief because his fief is poor. By definition, a heiress has to inherit, and the heiress (not to be crass) is only valuable precisely because of the wealth she stands to inherit. So, I have the impression that in some cases at least, women can inherit though presumably only in instances where there aren't any sons to inherit. The exception to that now seems to be with the Crown itself. The Crown thanks to Jon and Thayet's legal change now apparently goes to the surviving firstborn child whether male or female. I have the impression that Inness lives in Mindelan because in First Test Kel speaks of her sister-in-laws living at Mindelan and also the nursery seems crowded with more than just the children of Anders. I also remember a passage in Squire where Cleon, Inness's squire, is very comfortable in Mindelan and interacting with all the children as if he has been there on multiple occasions, so that to me suggested that Inness and his wife lived in Mindeland with their children. I have the impression that Anders is the heir and that neither Inness nor Conal stand to inherit any lands or income from the land though from things Kel and Cleon say in the POTS books I think knights can be awarded purses by the Crown for their service, so it is possible that if Inness and Conal remain active knights, they will continue to receive a somewhat steady income from the Crown. I think any children of Inness and Conal would be eligible to train under the Mindelan name since they are still part of the Mindelan family even if their fathers don't inherit the land and titles, I believe. It might be hard for the children of second sons to have the funds to pursue knighthood training. It wouldn't shock me if those children are encouraged to pursue careers as monks or in the King's Own or now the Queen's Riders instead. Thank you! This makes sense to me and I can work with that!
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Post by devilinthedetails on Sept 14, 2020 0:13:22 GMT 10
No problem. Happy to help, Seek
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Post by Seek on Oct 28, 2021 0:13:22 GMT 10
Does anyone remember if women are allowed to join in the moment of the Voice? I know Alanna was adopted into the Bloody Hawk under odd circumstances and I can't remember if that's an option for her (do clarify if you remember please!) but more broadly, what about say, Kara and Kourrem? Mari Fahrar?
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Post by Rosie on Oct 28, 2021 6:10:09 GMT 10
Does anyone remember if women are allowed to join in the moment of the Voice? I know Alanna was adopted into the Bloody Hawk under odd circumstances and I can't remember if that's an option for her (do clarify if you remember please!) but more broadly, what about say, Kara and Kourrem? Mari Fahrar? Yes, sunset is “each man and woman among the Bazhir”. Alanna definitely makes the decision to opt out, she doesn’t feel comfortable with allowing the Voice unfiltered access to herself, either with Ali Mukhtab or Jon. Coram, I believe, communicates with Jon on the road during Lioness Rampant and Alanna declines to join. Kara and Kourrem were present during Jon’s Voice ceremony, incidentally.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 30, 2021 1:21:40 GMT 10
Per Ali Hakim: "At sunset we gather at our firesand join with him - each man and woman among the Bazhir. Thus he know our thoughts, our wishes."
Women communed with the Voice but were forbidden from the rituals, but Alanna broke that tradition for herself and then insisted on the same for Kara and Kourrem, as Rosie mentioned.
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Post by Seek on Nov 1, 2021 4:25:59 GMT 10
Does anyone remember if women are allowed to join in the moment of the Voice? I know Alanna was adopted into the Bloody Hawk under odd circumstances and I can't remember if that's an option for her (do clarify if you remember please!) but more broadly, what about say, Kara and Kourrem? Mari Fahrar? Yes, sunset is “each man and woman among the Bazhir”. Alanna definitely makes the decision to opt out, she doesn’t feel comfortable with allowing the Voice unfiltered access to herself, either with Ali Mukhtab or Jon. Coram, I believe, communicates with Jon on the road during Lioness Rampant and Alanna declines to join. Kara and Kourrem were present during Jon’s Voice ceremony, incidentally. Per Ali Hakim: "At sunset we gather at our firesand join with him - each man and woman among the Bazhir. Thus he know our thoughts, our wishes." Women communed with the Voice but were forbidden from the rituals, but Alanna broke that tradition for herself and then insisted on the same for Kara and Kourrem, as Rosie mentioned. Thanks to both of you for clearing this up! It's interesting that they're allowed communion with the Voice but not the rituals. Appreciated!
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Post by MythicMistress on Nov 13, 2021 4:53:57 GMT 10
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but Emelan question: Regarding the Temples and Dedicates, is there an element or a god/goddess in the pantheon that covers animals? I had an idea regarding a Temple with an animal sanctuary (well, a cat sanctuary or maybe it just has a Dedicate who really likes cats) and want it to fit with canon as closely as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Never mind! I checked the wiki, and all I got was Asaia, with birds...
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Post by mistrali on Nov 13, 2021 6:08:15 GMT 10
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but Emelan question: Regarding the Temples and Dedicates, is there an element or a god/goddess in the pantheon that covers animals? I had an idea regarding a Temple with an animal sanctuary (well, a cat sanctuary or maybe it just has a Dedicate who really likes cats) and want it to fit with canon as closely as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Never mind! I checked the wiki, and all I got was Asaia, with birds... Yeah, definitely nothing specifically with cats or animals in general. As a lot of the Living Circle religion has local gods with minor variations, you could plausibly make one up in, e.g., Yanijing, Namorn or the Realms of the Sun. Or any other country we haven’t seen much of.
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Post by Kypriotha on Nov 22, 2021 16:41:20 GMT 10
Not sure if this is the right place to ask This is definitely the right place to ask this sort of question I agree with Mistrali's answer and would also add that, given the Living Circle's big focus on living things and connections, that I would be really surprised if there wasn't an animal god/goddess or even a specific cat one.
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Post by Seek on Dec 26, 2021 0:39:12 GMT 10
I've seen someone assert that Tris also has academic magic, but it was masked by her ambient magic being out of control and so it never showed up on the tests (as opposed to "some ambient mages can do academic magic too.")
Does anyone have a link to that reference? I can't pull it up.
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Post by oskarshai on Jan 3, 2022 12:45:18 GMT 10
I've seen someone assert that Tris also has academic magic, but it was masked by her ambient magic being out of control and so it never showed up on the tests (as opposed to "some ambient mages can do academic magic too.") Does anyone have a link to that reference? I can't pull it up. I went and found in her page on the fanwiki where it says that, but the citation is dead – I tried to pull the link up on the Wayback Machine, but every snapshot was of an error message. Since from what I can tell the source link was to a forum conversation rather than citing any of the books, I'd guess it was probably a bit spurious.
I did find a Shatterglass quote from early in chapter 2 that reads, "For every ambient mage there were four academic ones, not counting those with ambient magic who could also practice academic magic," so I think the case is just that some ambient mages can do academic magic.
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Post by Seek on Jul 25, 2023 4:16:53 GMT 10
Do we know if Crane has ambient magic or academic? My impression from the books is academic but it's never actually been stated, and he does work at Winding Circle, which is supposed to be ambient mage central.
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