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Post by journeycat on Oct 12, 2009 13:42:21 GMT 10
OMG I love that scene. So lovely and sweet, especially for Wyldon, who's being so darling about it. But then Kel had to go and become unafraid of heights and RUIN it }
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Post by Cass on Oct 12, 2009 14:36:39 GMT 10
I just want them to have a torrid affair. And write a really long fic about it.
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Post by journeycat on Oct 13, 2009 0:46:51 GMT 10
Um, yum? I'd read that so hard.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 13, 2009 1:07:04 GMT 10
Uh, yeah - so would I. While I'm more interested in the build-up that leads to K/W, I love reading the smuttier stuff, too.
General we're-Kel-and-Wyldon-and-we're-happily-in-love-without-conflict stuff without yummy sumtty sex? Not for me.
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Post by Cass on Oct 13, 2009 2:04:01 GMT 10
As far as I see it, it's the conflict surrounding them that makes them interesting. They're probably perfect for each other- yet he's married, he's her commander, people would be extremely negative, and they both have way too much honor to let something happen without tension and doubt.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 13, 2009 2:40:15 GMT 10
For me it's the conflict of the situation juxtaposed with how *perfectly* their personalities are suited to each other. I mean, look at Kel's analysis of him - he's got too much stone, and needs more water. And what does she try to be, when rattled? Water. ;D
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Post by Cass on Oct 13, 2009 2:44:08 GMT 10
It's practically canon, when you look at it like that!
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Post by journeycat on Oct 13, 2009 2:49:37 GMT 10
For me, that's the core of their appeal - they fit together more perfectly than anyone, but like what was already mentioned, they have so many obstacles in the way. It's awesome. They would have the best, most torrid, most angsty and beautiful affair ever.Wyldon also needs more flexibility in his life! And Kel's...flexible.
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Post by Forensic Fan '93 on Oct 13, 2009 6:46:21 GMT 10
Now I'm tempted to go write Alanna finding out about them, and wondering who in the world to challenge first.
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Post by ubiquitous on Oct 13, 2009 12:16:30 GMT 10
And the following words must be used: lance, sweat, mount, grind, urge <-- all taken from the tilting scenes in Squire, of course. *innocent whistling* So - back to the Kel/Wyldon love... what do you think is necessary to get our former training master to realize Kel is perfect for him? It took him four years to like her, then another two to see her as a bit more than another student - and then another three to *really* like her and say he's honored to know her (and kiss her forehead - so pretty! I actually had Tammy sign that page at the last book-signing I went to...). How long will it take to potentially change things between them? Will Vivenne fall ill and die during that time, or is she having a secret affair with her son-in-law? I so want to read that. ^.^ I think he already has an inkling. Of course, he's in complete denial. without a catalyst (near death experience, omg doom scenario, trapped together, etc) Wyldon wouldn't make a move for quite a long time. it would probably take a while to stop denying his own feelings for Kel, and the impact of any relationship they do have on their reputations (but especially hers). He'd want to be sure of her own feelings for him too, because he wouldn't want to feel that he's pressured/influenced her into anything. Kel wouldn't make a move, in my mind, with the exception of the aforementioned catalyst. She's too insecure, and she would be too afraid of losing his respect and that he didn't feel the same way. That said, I think there's a good chance of it being a bit of a case of them both being completely aware of the emotional situation long before any move is made. I'm voting for the latter, in that Vivenne is getting busy with Owen. I'm on a total Vivenne/Owen kick atm. That said, I don't think that would push Wyldon to commit to Kel in the form of a public relationship and/or marriage. I think Vivenne would have to either die or leave Wyldon for him to make that sort of commitment to Kel. Oh, they don't have to go to bed for me to be happy, and I'm sure I'm not speaking only for myself. ;D Sometimes I think the stories that don't allow things to go too far, but show that there's a connection between them, are the prettiest! That's a lovely scenario, and I like the idea of Wyldon pushing her (and himself) away because he's an old married man! I totally agree!
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Post by Lisa on Oct 13, 2009 22:27:50 GMT 10
Oh, you guys seriously have me writing right now... I agree that there needs to be a catalyst, and I agree that Wyldon would have to be 100% free before he and Kel could have any consistent, serious relationship. And let's face it, neither of them seem to be the casual sex type. (alas, alack!)
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Post by journeycat on Oct 13, 2009 22:47:13 GMT 10
I know, right? Ugh, I am on SUCH a Kel/Wyldon kick now. And there's not enough out there to feed my addiction!
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Post by Anaroriel on Oct 13, 2009 23:35:22 GMT 10
I completely agree! After reading through this thread (and convinced of the nearly canonical evidence for the K/W pairing ) I started searching for Kel/Wyldon fic on ff.net and the King's Own, and there's really not that much out there yet! So... writing more is good. As much as I think it's part of both Wyldon and Kel's belief system not to deceive anyone, I honestly cannot imagine the two of them actually announcing their relationship. There would be so much angst about it, and it would do the same sort of damage as the Jon/Alanna (with Alanna's magic) relationship had on the credibility of female knights. It would honestly look like the only reason that Kel had succeeded through the page and squire years is because she had been sleeping with the training master during that time, or at least the training master had let her continue only because he was in love with her and not because of her capabilities. And I cannot imagine Kel, after all she's been through, give even the smallest hint that she did not wholly deserve her knighthood.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 0:40:49 GMT 10
Oh, you've so single-handedly put a wrench into what I was writing because you're right--they wouldn't be able to have a public relationship, even if all the marital barriers and conflicts of military heirarchy were tossed out the window. ::weeps::
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Post by journeycat on Oct 14, 2009 1:02:07 GMT 10
It totally slipped mine mind as well... I took into consideration Wyldon's marriage, and both their reservations about him being her commander, but I never really thought about the whole she-only-made-it-because-she-was-banging-the-training-master or he-only-let-her-pass-because-she-was-bendy. Silly me. Lisa, it doesn't mean you can't keep writing it! Just work around it! (Please give me my Wyldon fix) P.S. I'm writing the, er, jousting fic right this minute
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 1:13:34 GMT 10
Well, this fic takes place about seven years after she earned her shield... and it's a relatively on-the-QT relationship, I think. (I haven't gotten that far yet, I confess. Right now they're being attacked by Sex Raiders six raiders -hence the caption Kat gave me.)
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Post by journeycat on Oct 14, 2009 1:56:59 GMT 10
Ooohhh, is this multi-chaptered?
Six raiders, Sex Raiders... in the end, can't they be the same thing?
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 2:41:19 GMT 10
They're very short chapters (so far) - I won't post 'til I'm done, though, because I have a habit of not finishing things when I do. >.<
No matter - back to the issue at hand: if Kel/Wyldon *were* to happen, in this dangerous, catalystic manner, who do you think would acknowledge feelings first, either to him/herself, or out loud to the other person?
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Post by journeycat on Oct 14, 2009 2:47:52 GMT 10
That's such a difficult question since, as was previously mentioned, they're both so reserved and would be in denial of it for a very long time. Acknowledging their feelings to themselves - that's kind of fifty-fifty. One day Wyldon will catch himself admiring Kel's womanly curves and think, She's not The Girl anymore. Then he'll be appalled with himself and walk away. And Kel will get all hot and flustered around him, and she'll draw hearts around Lady Keladry of Cavall 4ever on all her notebooks[/s[ but she'll mask it with her Yamani face.
Admitting their feelings to each other... I would either see it happening at once - perhaps around battle, when their blood is hot, or when Vivenne finally gets the bucket - or Wyldon making the first move. I think Kel's more insecure.
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Post by Cass on Oct 14, 2009 4:44:14 GMT 10
I think it's going to be pent up for a really long time, and they would both act as if they were in high school, sort of like journeycat said. And then there would be an explosion of something important, maybe a fort, and then other things would explode.
...er.
Kel is definitely insecure, and she doubts herself as a woman. Wyldon does seem very confident in all that he does. But I still can't picture how they would tell each other anything. On some level, I think that Kel is still a little bit frightened of him, that he could still "kick her out" somehow- of training for knighthood, of New Hope, etc.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 6:10:28 GMT 10
Excellent point. I think the first move would *have* to be made by Wyldon - especially since Kel is so incredibly respectful. I've been re-reading First Test and underlining interesting Wyldon-characteristic passages (to remind myself that he's actually *not* practically perfect in every way), and I think there's room for him to behave a little less honorably than Kel would expect him to. There's only a *teensy* bit of wiggle room, but it's possible. ;D
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Post by Cass on Oct 14, 2009 6:24:58 GMT 10
Well, there's this one quote that I remember from... Squire, is it? about letting Kel stay- "thank god I remembered my honor in time," or something similar to that.
So there are circumstances. There could definitely be circumstances.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 7:42:36 GMT 10
Actually, his line is even better than that:
^___^
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Post by journeycat on Oct 14, 2009 9:20:30 GMT 10
OMGOMGOMGOMG SO MANY POSSIBILITIES.
I honestly just had heart palpitations.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 9:28:55 GMT 10
I know!!! That was my thought, too, when I checked for the exact wording!! ::dies::
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Post by ubiquitous on Oct 14, 2009 9:54:12 GMT 10
Hee, it is! And I so can't wait to read it!! Also, I think Wyldon would have to be in a position where isn't in power over her as well, before making a move. He wouldn't do anything while she was under his power, as he is now.
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Post by journeycat on Oct 14, 2009 10:11:14 GMT 10
I'm having a heyday thinking of all the extenuating circumstances in which Wyldon would act...dishonorable.
So far I just have a scene of him ravishing a not-so-unwilling Kel in a field. The end.
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Post by Cass on Oct 14, 2009 12:41:55 GMT 10
Please, please, please write that.
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Post by Lisa on Oct 14, 2009 13:06:16 GMT 10
OMGyes. Out of curiosity, is the purpose of this thread to make our heads explode? It seems to be working! ;D Very true!! And I think Wyldon would still be hesitant to make a move, even if she wasn't his subordinate (or "under him" - teeheehee). I think he would worry about her feeling swayed by the former balance of power, and his previous positions influencing her. But he'd eventually make the first move.
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Post by ubiquitous on Oct 14, 2009 14:43:40 GMT 10
Exactly. But he'd feel better about it if she wasn't directly his subordinate.
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